wlotus: (Deep Thoughts)
wlotus ([personal profile] wlotus) wrote2008-10-20 01:42 pm
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Biblical Ponderings

To the woman [God] said, “...Your desire shall be for your husband, And he shall rule over you.”
~Genesis 3:16b, NKJV

In the later years of my identification as an evangelical Christian, I understood this account of God's word to Eve after Adam and she sinned to be a warning: God was warning Eve that because they were no longer sinless, men would oppress women, rather than women and men living and ruling the earth (not each other) as complete equals as Eve and Adam had done up to that point (Genesis 1:27-30). But it was only this afternoon that I realized God made no mention to Adam of a backlash against men because of the way they had oppressed women. It couldn't be because God (as the writer of this account knew God) did not know; according to the Bible, God knows everything. So was that part of God's word left out by the writers (or later editors), who were products of their misogynistic culture? Or, perhaps, did God not say anything to Adam about the inevitable backlash, because he knew Adam's sinful state would not allow him to hear and understand the danger of giving in to that sinful desire to rule over women?

Discuss.

[identity profile] jane-etrix.livejournal.com 2008-10-21 08:49 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by this: Jesus changed all that. He brought grace. And woman no longer has to fear birth, and her desire can be for a deeper relationship with Jesus. Man and woman are equal. Different of course but equal. Man has grace. And he is instructed to love his wife, as Christ loves the church.

Women do have to fear childbirth. Mortality rates for women and babies are still extremely high in many parts of the world, regardless of what religion is practiced. Men (and women) still have to work, and Christianity has not really supported the idea of equality between men and women.
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[identity profile] wlotus.livejournal.com 2008-10-21 10:21 pm (UTC)(link)
In all fairness, there are some pockets of Christianity (http://www.cbeinternational.org) which fully support and teach the idea of equality between men and women (and not that "separate but equal" hockypock some Christians tout as "equality"). They are getting the message out there, but it's slow going, especially in parts of the country and parts of the world where patriarchal Christianity is still the status quo.

[identity profile] jane-etrix.livejournal.com 2008-10-22 04:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh to be sure, although I don't think egalitarianism is something Christianity, in general, has done much to support or promote, and I always tend to raise an eyebrow whenever someone says "different, of course, but equal" because, in my experience, it's generally used to justify unequal treatment.
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[identity profile] wlotus.livejournal.com 2008-10-22 09:14 pm (UTC)(link)
That has been my experience, too. And the more they try to explain their thinking on it, the worse it sounds to me. I toss it all into the same "hockypock" bucket and leave it there.

[identity profile] jane-etrix.livejournal.com 2008-10-23 04:48 pm (UTC)(link)
the more they try to explain their thinking on it, the worse it sounds to me.

Too true!